Opinion: Star Wars fans hate Star Wars the most
January 18, 2020
Growing up with the prequel “Star Wars” movies, the sequels and all the side story movies, I’ve come to realize that after every single one, “Star Wars” fans strike back.
Whether it be a complaint of the movie being too much like the much-beloved original trilogy, being too different or having too much fan service, the fan base is never pleased. They have consistently found a reason to hate on every movie released since “Return of the Jedi.”
The younger generations seem to be bored by the original trilogy because they don’t look as cool or because they lack the more modern action that the newer films have. The older generation seems to be caught in the stereotypical mindset of believing anything except the original is bad. The middle generation that grew up with the prequel trilogy either leans to a preference in the original or sequel trilogy, or has an appreciation for all three in some capacity. Of course, there are outliers in this assessment, but I’ve seen this to be true.
What really throws a wrench into this is the fact that “The Mandalorian” has been so well received. Why would “Star Wars” fans like a show based in the universe that has the tone of a space western versus a space opera? It’s such a drastic change that I would’ve expected a reception similar to that of “The Last Jedi.”
This is further complicated by the fact that the series has a force-sensitive character and ended on the bombshell introduction of the Darksaber into live-action, an element stemming from the cartoon series.
These heavy ties to the main series contradict the poor reception the prequel and sequel trilogy have received by fans. If they like fundamental change in the universe, then why not enjoy the other trilogies? The other episodes simply take the essence of the original trilogy and elaborate on it.
If you are excited for change in the “Star Wars” universe and elaboration into deeper parts of the extensive lore, but complain when you get it, what do you ACTUALLY want?
I’m convinced that fans are hell-bent on saying that anything but the “Star Wars” trilogy they grew up with is bad.
But here’s the deal: “Star Wars” is SO much more than what YOU want it to be.
It is a story that has been evolving for over 40 years and touched by many varying artistic mindsets. Of course it’s going to change. I would be disappointed in the series if there was no development.
If you are willing to look past bad acting, Stormtroopers always missing, cheesy social statements and your own expectations of the series, you can find that it has a lot more to offer than what appears on the surface.
Here’s a conversation that the “Star Wars” fan base is not ready for: the Jedi and Sith traditions are heavily based in that of Buddhist and Vedic traditions. If you REALLY look into the series and see what it is offering, you can find intense theological debates, classic themes that run all throughout literature and a deeper story that is greatly overlooked by the fan base.
This simply boils down to the fact that people aren’t willing to see change to the things they’ve grown up with. I’ve heard many a time the groans and sighs of people when they hear about the next movie that’s going to be remade from their childhood. Yeah, and a lot of the times, I feel the same way.
But with “Star Wars,” we’re getting so much more than a remake. It’s the conclusion of a whole story. Say what you think about the sequel trilogy not needing to happen, but we come back to the point that it’s not your story.
There’s two points here for “Star Wars” fans. First, you probably need to chill out and simply enjoy the nostalgia ride. The series can be really surface level if you want it to be. Second, if you want to dig into the story and get invested in it, don’t be selective. “Star Wars” is the series for you to either enjoy the show or dig deep into it, and there’s no room for someone that’s in-between just complaining to complain.
CT-7567 • Jan 25, 2021 at 12:36 pm
So this is like the fourth time I am typing out this response but I really think some things need to be addressed. First off when looking at the newest trilogy( force awakens- rise of skywalker) as compared to the prequels( episodes 1-3), I tdon’t think the critizism of true star wars fans is the same. Of course you have those people who complain about anything other than the originally released trilogy but those people are laughed at by true star wars fans as poser fans. The prequels garnered alto of “criticism” over this and honestly most star wars fans ignore it. I grew up the “cartoon” star wars. Particularly Star wars Clone Wars and Star wars rebels ( yes they have names 🙂 ) . The stereotyping of these shows is very sad in my opinion because the clone wars dealt with real life issues similiar to Avatar the Last airbender. Unfortunately since it was on cartoon network, most people didn’t give it a shot. HOWEVER true star wars fans I’ve met at star wars weekends have always considered it and the prequels cannon. The issue with the newest trilogy has nothing to do with it expanding into new territory. I was thrild
led with the Force awakens and enjoyed The rise of skywalker. As a stand alone movie I think I would have enjoyed last jedi. the problem was Kathleen kennedy allowed the second instalment to be taken over by a director who wen ton record stating he didn’t want force sensitive people to be the center of the story. THis is an issue when you introduced Rey, and Kylo Ren previously.
This is only one example of why people are critizising the newest trillogy. ITs not because its new but becasue it doesn’t make sense and the lack of creative unity is not acceptable. Ultimately we all recognize it as cannon but that doesn’t mean that we will not dissect it and delve into the story. THe issue is this trillogy doesn’t survive past the disections. To expect the star wars fans who have allowed this universe to grow from 1 sci fi movie into a multigenerational culture that rivals Harry Potter and superceeds all other sci-fi fandom is kind of disrespectful. Star Wars Fans have always dived into the lore and will continue to do so the writers should recognize and respect that we will dissect their movies. The problem isn’t wanting to look at the movie so dillegently, its that Kathleen Kennedy was taking star wars away from its core concepts. Furthermore, the wide acceptance of the Mandalorian, should show that we ( star wars fans) are not opposed to new instalments and creative ideas. However, what John Faverou and Dave Filoni did was stick to what they new would wor and not flip flop direcitons every epissode. The fact that so many new shows are coming out that are including characters from extended universe such as Obi-wan( prequel with Ewan- McGreggor), Ahsoka( Clone Wars fan Favorite and FIRST FEMALE PADWAN WIDELY RECOGNIZED), Boba Fett( Needs to explanation) Lando ( Han Solo movie which was an unforntate casualty to the directors previous failures) and those are the ones that I know about. The acolyte is coming out as well but nothing has been leaked besides the directors which I’m still on the fence about.
I guess what I am trying to say is that saying the fans shouldn’t write the stories is correct but to blame fans for holding high expectations of the universe they have financed is kind of hypocritical. We enjoy starwars because of the emphasis on detail, story, and continuity so the writers should recognize and respect that we will hold them to high expectaitons. If people don’t agree with this opinion is fine. Thats another great aspect of Star Wars,
Lastly, the comment on having a conversaiton no one is ready for has already been discussed and settled. George Lucas has gone on record stating he made the Force as Religious neutral as possible. He wanted all religions to feel some aspect of theirs in the force so no The force is not buddist and Vedic exculsively. However the fact you have looked at it this deeply shows why fans have been disappointed, we look at this stuff under a thick magnefying lens and saying stuff like they ruin it can be true but is also unfair since we have helped carry this series far beyond its initial release and success.
star wars fan • Jan 24, 2021 at 11:59 am
So this is like the fourth time I am typing out this response but I really think some things need to be addressed. First off when looking at the newest trilogy( force awakens- rise of skywalker) as compared to the prequels( episodes 1-3), I tdon’t think the critizism of true star wars fans is the same. Of course you have those people who complain about anything other than the originally released trilogy but those people are laughed at by true star wars fans as poser fans. The prequels garnered alto of “criticism” over this and honestly most star wars fans ignore it. I grew up “cartoon” star wars. Particularly Star wars Clone Wars and Star wars rebels. The stereotyping of these shows is very sad in my opinion because the clone wars dealt with real life issues similiar to Avatar the Last airbender. Unfortunately since it was on cartoon network, most people didn’t give it a shot. HOWEVER true star wars fans I’ve met at star wars weekends have always considered it and the prequels cannon. The issue with the newest trilogy has nothing to do with it expanding into new territory. I was thrild
led with the Force awakens and enjoyed The rise of skywalker. As a stand alone movie I think I would have enjoyed last jedi. the problem was Kathleen kennedy allowed the second instalment to be taken over by a director who wen ton record stating he didn’t want force sensitive people to be the center of the story. THis is an issue when you introduced Rey, and Kylo Ren previously.
This is only one example of why people are critizising the newest trillogy. ITs not because its new but becasue it doesn’t make sense and the lack of creative unity is not acceptable. Ultimately we all recognize it as cannon but that doesn’t mean that we will not dissect it and delve into the story. THe issue is this trillogy doesn’t survive past disections. To expect the star wars fans who have allowed this universe to grow from 1 sci fi movie into a multigenerational culture that rivals Harry Potter and superceeds all other sci-fi fandom is kind of disrespectful. The problem isn’t wanting to look at the movie so dillegently, its that Kathleen Kennedy was taking star wars away from its core concepts. Furthermore, the wide acceptance of the Mandalorian, should show that we ( star wars fans) are not opposed to new instalments and creative ideas. However, what John Faverou and Dave Filoni did was stick to what they new would wor and not flip flop direcitons every epissode. The fact that so many new shows are coming out that are including characters from extended universe such as Obi-wan( prequel with Ewan- McGreggor), Ahsoka( Clone Wars fan Favorite and FIRST FEMALE PADWAN WIDELY RECOGNIZED), Boba Fett( Needs to explanation) Lando ( Han Solo movie which was an unforntate casualty to the directors previous failures) and those are the ones that I know about. The acolyte is coming out as well but nothing has been leaked besides the directors which I’m still on the fence about.
I guess what I am trying to say is that saying the fans shouldn’t write the stories is correct but to blame fans for holding high expectations of the universe they have financed is kind of hypocritical. We enjoy starwars because of the emphasis on detail, story, and continuity so the writers should recognize and respect that we will hold them to high expectaitons. If people don’t agree with that that’s fine.
Lastly, the comment on having a conversaiton no one is ready for has already been discussed and settled. George LUcas has gone on record stating he made the Force as Religious neutral as possible. He wanted all religions to feel some aspect of theirs in the force so no The force is not buddist and Vedic exculsively. HOwever the fact you have looked at it this deeply shows why fans have been disappointed, we look at this stuff under a thick magnefying lens and saying stuff like they ruin it can be true but is also unfair since we have helped carry this series far beyond its initial release and success.
star wars fan • Jan 24, 2021 at 11:59 am
So this is like the fourth time I am typing out this response but I really think some things need to be addressed. First off when looking at the newest trilogy( force awakens- rise of skywalker) as compared to the prequels( episodes 1-3), I tdon’t think the critizism of true star wars fans is the same. Of course you have those people who complain about anything other than the originally released trilogy but those people are laughed at by true star wars fans as poser fans. The prequels garnered alto of “criticism” over this and honestly most star wars fans ignore it. I grew up “cartoon” star wars. Particularly Star wars Clone Wars and Star wars rebels. The stereotyping of these shows is very sad in my opinion because the clone wars dealt with real life issues similiar to Avatar the Last airbender. Unfortunately since it was on cartoon network, most people didn’t give it a shot. HOWEVER true star wars fans I’ve met at star wars weekends have always considered it and the prequels cannon. The issue with the newest trilogy has nothing to do with it expanding into new territory. I was thrild
led with the Force awakens and enjoyed The rise of skywalker. As a stand alone movie I think I would have enjoyed last jedi. the problem was Kathleen kennedy allowed the second instalment to be taken over by a director who wen ton record stating he didn’t want force sensitive people to be the center of the story. THis is an issue when you introduced Rey, and Kylo Ren previously.
This is only one example of why people are critizising the newest trillogy. ITs not because its new but becasue it doesn’t make sense and the lack of creative unity is not acceptable. Ultimately we all recognize it as cannon but that doesn’t mean that we will not dissect it and delve into the story. THe issue is this trillogy doesn’t survive past disections. To expect the star wars fans who have allowed this universe to grow from 1 sci fi movie into a multigenerational culture that rivals Harry Potter and superceeds all other sci-fi fandom is kind of disrespectful. The problem isn’t wanting to look at the movie so dillegently, its that Kathleen Kennedy was taking star wars away from its core concepts. Furthermore, the wide acceptance of the Mandalorian, should show that we ( star wars fans) are not opposed to new instalments and creative ideas. However, what John Faverou and Dave Filoni did was stick to what they new would wor and not flip flop direcitons every epissode. The fact that so many new shows are coming out that are including characters from extended universe such as Obi-wan( prequel with Ewan- McGreggor), Ahsoka( Clone Wars fan Favorite and FIRST FEMALE PADWAN WIDELY RECOGNIZED), Boba Fett( Needs to explanation) Lando ( Han Solo movie which was an unforntate casualty to the directors previous failures) and those are the ones that I know about. The acolyte is coming out as well but nothing has been leaked besides the directors which I’m still on the fence about.
I guess what I am trying to say is that saying the fans shouldn’t write the stories is correct but to blame fans for holding high expectations of the universe they have financed is kind of hypocritical. We enjoy starwars because of the emphasis on detail, story, and continuity so the writers should recognize and respect that we will hold them to high expectaitons. If people don’t agree with that that’s fine.
Lastly, the comment on having a conversaiton no one is ready for has already been discussed and settled. George LUcas has gone on record stating he made the Force as Religious neutral as possible. He wanted all religions to feel some aspect of theirs in the force so no The force is not buddist and Vedic exculsively. HOwever the fact you have looked at it this deeply shows why fans have been disappointed, we look at this stuff under a thick magnefying lens and saying stuff like they ruin it can be true but is also unfair since we have helped carry this series far beyond its initial release and success.
Star wars Fan since birth • Jan 20, 2021 at 11:06 am
So the hatred of the newest trillogy and htat of the prequels are totally different. Some fans hate anything that isn’t the originals. That’s what the hatred of the prequels were. The hatred of the newest trillogy stems from lack of directoral unity. Giving a trillogy a director with an admittently different vision for its characters in the middle of the story is horrible. Kathleen kennedy is to blame for that. Furthermore, as fans we are entitled to place all star wars under high scrutinty. Like accepting that Lucas admitted the force is meant to encourage religious views but remained vague so as not to exclude any one faith. Your speculation on how the force is Buddist traditions is an example of the cultural lens in which fans look at star wars. while not officially “corect” its an interesting viewpoint that many people have conversed about. I think the main issue with the comment above and in your article is that you classify the distate for the prequels nad the final trillogy as the same. The final trilogy had 2 different directors and countless retcons that were needed to explain away why certain characters were used, had different relationships, and different personalitys as previously int he movies. That doesn’t mean they were bad or unenjoyable but as fans we are allowed to voice our disappointment with the different shortcomings of the movies. The same is said for all other fanbases and I don’t think star wars shoudl be different. Ultimately the Mandalorian suceeded because of the visonary unity of Filoni and Faverou. Filoni created both “cartoon shows” which are the Clone wars and Rebels. Both were widely accepted and acclaimed within the star wars community. Therefore it makes sense that the Mandalorian did so well with Filoni and his collegues finally getting control over star wars stories since disney bought the franchise. I grew up with the prequells and CLone wars and reading the books of the expanded universe. When the books were decannoned I was heartbroken but excited to see rebels. Ultimatly, change is fine and most of hte star wars community of true fans recognizes this. I mean those peopole who would wake up at 2 to get to disney parks at 3 and wait in line to see star wars celebrities. They, like myself, embraced all starwars. However, some changes that change the message and core of star wars are not going to be tollerated and as fans, we won’t accept it. Up until now, I haven’t seen anything that has warranted anyone to completely disregard any of the star wars movies/shows/books. however, to critizising the latest trillogy doesn’t mean we are not accepting of it. But to say it is as influential and successful as the originals and prequels would be lying. This is due in large part to Kathleen kennedies decison to change directors 2 times over the course of 3 movies.
Anyway the Mandalorian unites prequels, the originals, Star wars Rebels, Clone Wars, and the latest trillogy. Hopefully Disney will learn its lesson an allow Filoni and Favrou more creative control moving forward.
Great article and enjoyed you calling out the star wars purists who still are upset Darth Maul lived.
Star wars Fan since birth • Jan 20, 2021 at 10:48 am
Also, there are religious overtones thorughout star wars but Lucas has admitted to making it as vague as possible so as not to ostrasize any one religion. So that conversation is an interesting one but pure speculation which I welcome you to make. Again high scrutinty is the starwars way.
Star wars fan Since birth • Jan 20, 2021 at 10:46 am
So I agree with most of your article. Some of the star wars purists will complain about anything except episodes 4-6. People like me and my friends and family liked the prequels. It was differetn but still starwars. The major reason that the newest trilogy is so widely controversial is becasue of the lack of directoral unity in my opinion. It doesn’t have to do with changes, Star wars Clone Wars and star wars Rebels( yes the cartoons have names) were created by some of the most brilliant star wars minds on the planet who were direclty under Lucas’ tutelage. However, the The Force Awakens and the Rise of Skywalker were pretty good movies. However, giving one director control over the 1st and third movies in a trillogy is horrible. Throw into the mix a director who admitted to not wanting to develop force sensative characters and give him a movie about Rey’s training, Luke’s return, and Kylo’s inner turmoil and you get the response. The reason mandalorian did so well wasn’t because people are hypocritical but rather because creative teams headed by Favoure and Filoni and Filoni’s peers( Lucas’ padawans) were able to control what happened. This allowed for the “star wars feel” of the show to work even though it was completely different. I recognize all current starwars canon as accepted. While I might not like certain aspects of the new movie, they were not as bad as everyone thinks and ultimatly, came down to Kathleen Kennedy giving the middle movie to a director witha different vision. So creatively, it was really good with what htey had to work with. Behind the scenes, it was a crapshow since no unity or single director’s vision was recognized. Therefore, division is rampant.
I also don’t agree with fans not having a voice. I agree we shouldn’t write the movies. However, we are the ones that are follooiwng this and putting the money out. Again, I recognize some fans are toxic. they are “fans” that think its cool rip everything except the originals which is assanine. However, not critizising new movies and putting htem under high scrutinty isn’t star wars. Its huge becasue its fans are passionate and we should, can, and will tell you when something seems off. Overall I can see where your coming from but the hatred of the prequels and the newest trillogy is very different and stems from different causess. The prequels was becase people were upset with a new trillogy. The newest trillogy was becasue the stories relied very little on the previous movies and retcons were needed to make sense. Ultimately, all star wars canon at this time is canon, but it can be uncanon in a heartbeat. … Hopefully the Mandalorian will set the tone for the furture of star wars, one in which everyone can recognize all aspects of the universe. From prequels, originals, Television shows( Clone wars/Rebeles) and the newest trillogy.
RadRich • Jan 19, 2020 at 11:12 pm
It was always the “fans” fault. Sure, there can be a certain matter of pride claiming a property that isn’t yours, yours. And then expanding with your own thoughts, etc. But when it came to Star Wars, there were just too many hands trying to stir a pot. Nothing Lucas would or could have done would have pleased these “fans”. Thankfully, Disney now has full control and they say what is and isn’t “canon”. This is the way it ought to be. We are the viewers. We just need to sit back, shut up, and watch. Or don’t watch. But with the internet and social media apps, everyone now has a voice, and everyone wants to be heard. Well, too bad I say. Too damn bad. You guys SPOILED it for everyone. Thank God this saga is now OVER. There are a million stories to be told in a galaxy far, far away.